I'm a newer pilot, recently solo. I purchased a Russian AC-4C with TRIG transponder already installed.

I know I can purchase a Power FLARM for around $1,500 and have it display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on my Tablet with XCSoar.

Is there a way to have the ADS-B and other traffic appear on the XCSoar display?

John

On 11/8/2016 1:39 PM, John Smith wrote:
> I'm a newer pilot, recently solo. I purchased a Russian AC-4C with TRIG transponder already installed.
>
> I know I can purchase a Power FLARM for around $1,500 and have it display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on my Tablet with XCSoar.
>
> Is there a way to have the ADS-B and other traffic appear on the XCSoar display?
>
> John
>
Hi John, If you send the data stream from the flarm to your device
running XCSoar it will display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on the moving map
or on the radar screen.

Luke

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 12:08:25 PM UTC-8, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
> On 11/8/2016 1:39 PM, John Smith wrote:
> > I'm a newer pilot, recently solo. I purchased a Russian AC-4C with TRIG transponder already installed.
> >
> > I know I can purchase a Power FLARM for around $1,500 and have it display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on my Tablet with XCSoar.
> >
> > Is there a way to have the ADS-B and other traffic appear on the XCSoar display?
> >
> > John
> >
> Hi John, If you send the data stream from the flarm to your device
> running XCSoar it will display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on the moving map
> or on the radar screen.
>
> Luke

Luke,

Thanks, but I don't have a FLARM and just wanted to display any traffic from the Transponder.

I could drop $1500 on a Flarm but the ADS-B seems to be the future.

On 11/8/2016 4:14 PM, John Smith wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 12:08:25 PM UTC-8, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
>> On 11/8/2016 1:39 PM, John Smith wrote:
>>> I'm a newer pilot, recently solo. I purchased a Russian AC-4C with TRIG transponder already installed.
>>>
>>> I know I can purchase a Power FLARM for around $1,500 and have it display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on my Tablet with XCSoar.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to have the ADS-B and other traffic appear on the XCSoar display?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> Hi John, If you send the data stream from the flarm to your device
>> running XCSoar it will display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on the moving map
>> or on the radar screen.
>>
>> Luke
>
> Luke,
>
> Thanks, but I don't have a FLARM and just wanted to display any traffic from the Transponder.
>
> I could drop $1500 on a Flarm but the ADS-B seems to be the future.
>

I believe there were some people working with RPi and ADS-B receivers so
in theory it is possible as long as you don't mind tinkering. There is
no out of box solution. The best place to ask would be on the xcsoar
forums. https://forum.xcsoar.org/

Luke

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 1:33:22 PM UTC-8, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
> On 11/8/2016 4:14 PM, John Smith wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 12:08:25 PM UTC-8, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
> >> On 11/8/2016 1:39 PM, John Smith wrote:
> >>> I'm a newer pilot, recently solo. I purchased a Russian AC-4C with TRIG transponder already installed.
> >>>
> >>> I know I can purchase a Power FLARM for around $1,500 and have it display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on my Tablet with XCSoar.
> >>>
> >>> Is there a way to have the ADS-B and other traffic appear on the XCSoar display?
> >>>
> >>> John
> >>>
> >> Hi John, If you send the data stream from the flarm to your device
> >> running XCSoar it will display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on the moving map
> >> or on the radar screen.
> >>
> >> Luke
> >
> > Luke,
> >
> > Thanks, but I don't have a FLARM and just wanted to display any traffic from the Transponder.
> >
> > I could drop $1500 on a Flarm but the ADS-B seems to be the future.
> >
>
> I believe there were some people working with RPi and ADS-B receivers so
> in theory it is possible as long as you don't mind tinkering. There is
> no out of box solution. The best place to ask would be on the xcsoar
> forums. https://forum.xcsoar.org/
>
> Luke

Homebuilt ADS-B in
Stratux
http://stratux.me/

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 3:14:45 PM UTC-6, John Smith wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 12:08:25 PM UTC-8, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
> > On 11/8/2016 1:39 PM, John Smith wrote:
> > > I'm a newer pilot, recently solo. I purchased a Russian AC-4C with TRIG transponder already installed.
> > >
> > > I know I can purchase a Power FLARM for around $1,500 and have it display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on my Tablet with XCSoar.
> > >
> > > Is there a way to have the ADS-B and other traffic appear on the XCSoar display?
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > Hi John, If you send the data stream from the flarm to your device
> > running XCSoar it will display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on the moving map
> > or on the radar screen.
> >
> > Luke
>
> Luke,
>
> Thanks, but I don't have a FLARM and just wanted to display any traffic from the Transponder.
>
> I could drop $1500 on a Flarm but the ADS-B seems to be the future.

PowerFLARM will display ALL mode-S 1090ES ADS-B traffic on your map and "radar", along with non-directional transponder (Mode 3C or Mode-S). What it will not show is UAT-ADS-B traffic. Note that in the US, you still have to have at least a Mode 3C transponder with your UAT ADS-B out, so you will theoretically see all transponder and ADS-B traffic.

On my PF I see local ADS-B traffic just fine (local medevac helo that comes into a hospital nearby, and a local RV-6 that has Mode-S ADS-B installed. Regular transponders also show up, but not as reliably and at relatively close range.

Remember, unless you install a fully compliant ADS-B out system, there isn't any reliable way to get ALL ADS-B traffic into your cockpit. Yet.

Kirk
66

Yes. You'll need a serial to Bluetooth converter which plugs into the
Flarm and transmits to the tablet. Then, on the tablet, you need to
enable the interface to setup the communication and configure XCSoar to
display the Flarm radar display and Flarm targets. ADS-B comes along
for the ride.

I have a K6BT serial to Bluetooth converter for sale since I upgraded my
system to a K6BT-Mux to connect other equipment into the network. My
converter and a couple of cables ($245 retail) are priced at $125.

On 11/8/2016 11:39 AM, John Smith wrote:
> I'm a newer pilot, recently solo. I purchased a Russian AC-4C with TRIG transponder already installed.
>
> I know I can purchase a Power FLARM for around $1,500 and have it display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on my Tablet with XCSoar.
>
> Is there a way to have the ADS-B and other traffic appear on the XCSoar display?
>
> John

--
Dan, 5J

Your transponder doesn't receive/display ADS-B. You need an ADS-B
receiver for that. Flarm receives Flarm, ADS-B, and PCAS targets and
displays them on its own screen or a connected display in the case of
the brick. Using Bluetooth, you can have all of the above displayed on
your XCSoar device, I think. The XCSoar may only display Flarm
targets. Next time I fly, I'll extend the Flarm's range so I can see
some airliners and see if they're displayed in XCSoar.

Dan

On 11/8/2016 2:14 PM, John Smith wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 12:08:25 PM UTC-8, Luke Szczepaniak wrote:
>> On 11/8/2016 1:39 PM, John Smith wrote:
>>> I'm a newer pilot, recently solo. I purchased a Russian AC-4C with TRIG transponder already installed.
>>>
>>> I know I can purchase a Power FLARM for around $1,500 and have it display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on my Tablet with XCSoar.
>>>
>>> Is there a way to have the ADS-B and other traffic appear on the XCSoar display?
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>> Hi John, If you send the data stream from the flarm to your device
>> running XCSoar it will display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on the moving map
>> or on the radar screen.
>>
>> Luke
> Luke,
>
> Thanks, but I don't have a FLARM and just wanted to display any traffic from the Transponder.
>
> I could drop $1500 on a Flarm but the ADS-B seems to be the future.

--
Dan, 5J

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 1:39:57 PM UTC-5, John Smith wrote:
> I'm a newer pilot, recently solo. I purchased a Russian AC-4C with TRIG transponder already installed.
>
> I know I can purchase a Power FLARM for around $1,500 and have it display FLARM and ADS-B traffic on my Tablet with XCSoar.
>
> Is there a way to have the ADS-B and other traffic appear on the XCSoar display?
>
> John

The reality is that FLARM is a half baked ADS-B solution. It doesn't display UAT equipped aircraft, nor does it display TIS-B data being transmitted from ADS-B ground stations.

The reality is that ADS-B is the future. FLARM may be an appropriate solution if you are flying in a contest with other FLARM equipped gliders. If you are flying recreationally, you should be looking at a solution that will reliably display not only other gliders, but all GA aircraft.

Hopefully, by the end of the year, you will be able to buy an economical GPS source for your TRIG transponder, so you can have ADS-B OUT, which is required to trigger TIS-B from ADS-B ground stations. If you buy a low cost ADS-B receiver (get a dual frequency one), and couple it with an iPhone or iPAD app, and you will be able to see all other ADS-B and transponder equipped aircraft in your area. You will be amazed by how many planes are out there that you never see visually.

On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 8:19:28 PM UTC-6, Mike Schumann wrote:
> The reality is that FLARM is a half baked ADS-B solution. It doesn't display UAT equipped aircraft, nor does it display TIS-B data being transmitted from ADS-B ground stations.

Here we go again ;^)

In a word, bull****. Powerflarm is a fully baked glider-to-glider cooperative anti-collision system (good enough to be mandatory in some countries) that also displays ALL 1090ES ADS-B aircraft (the majority out there, and pretty much all ADS-B equipped fast movers and heavies) and ALL legacy transponder equipped aircraft (but only as range/altitude warnings, unfortunately). Oh, and in the US, if you decide to go UAT for your ADS-B solution, you still have to have a transponder, so guess what - PF will still see you.

PowerFLARM is also available, RIGHT NOW, and comes in a format that integrates easily with glider displays.

What PowerFLARM does not do, and was NEVER designed to so, is give you the free carrot - I mean weather, or TIS-B (pretty much all traffic). And of course, without ADS-B out, ADS-B in will not show you all TIS-B traffic unless you are lucky enough to be near a ADS-B out aircraft.


Then there is the problem of displaying that nice TIS-B info. So now you need an ADS-B compatible GPS source, hook it up to your Trig 22, a dual band ADS-B receiver, and a diplay from the aviation division of Apple, all shoved into your huge glider instrument panel.

Show some pictures when you get that done! Or get a PF and show traffic on your nav display, today.

>
> The reality is that ADS-B is the future. FLARM may be an appropriate solution if you are flying in a contest with other FLARM equipped gliders. If you are flying recreationally, you should be looking at a solution that will reliably display not only other gliders, but all GA aircraft.

So, Mike, show us your cockpit setup with ADS-B in/out. And how much did it cost?

>
> Hopefully, by the end of the year, you will be able to buy an economical GPS source for your TRIG transponder, so you can have ADS-B OUT, which is required to trigger TIS-B from ADS-B ground stations. If you buy a low cost ADS-B receiver (get a dual frequency one), and couple it with an iPhone or iPAD app, and you will be able to see all other ADS-B and transponder equipped aircraft in your area. You will be amazed by how many planes are out there that you never see visually.

"Hopefully"? That's your plan? Pretty weak, dude! I've been flying with my PF for 3 years now seeing traffic no problem, plus having the benefits of the FLARM collision avoidance features when around other similarly equipped gliders. An inexpensive ADS-B out and in solution that would be legal and talk to existing glider displays would be nice to have, but it DOES NOT EXIST TODAY! It's inexcusable that the FAA did not allow a "VFR-ONLY" non-certified portable ADS-B in/out system to be used. Heck, you could probably make one for a few hundred bucks and GIVE them away; if they prevented one mid-air the cost would be covered!

Kirk
66

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 1:39:21 PM UTC-6, kirk.stant wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 8:19:28 PM UTC-6, Mike Schumann wrote:
> > The reality is that FLARM is a half baked ADS-B solution. It doesn't display UAT equipped aircraft, nor does it display TIS-B data being transmitted from ADS-B ground stations.
>
> Here we go again ;^)
>
> In a word, bull****. Powerflarm is a fully baked glider-to-glider cooperative anti-collision system (good enough to be mandatory in some countries) that also displays ALL 1090ES ADS-B aircraft (the majority out there, and pretty much all ADS-B equipped fast movers and heavies) and ALL legacy transponder equipped aircraft (but only as range/altitude warnings, unfortunately). Oh, and in the US, if you decide to go UAT for your ADS-B solution, you still have to have a transponder, so guess what - PF will still see you.
>
> PowerFLARM is also available, RIGHT NOW, and comes in a format that integrates easily with glider displays.
>
> What PowerFLARM does not do, and was NEVER designed to so, is give you the free carrot - I mean weather, or TIS-B (pretty much all traffic). And of course, without ADS-B out, ADS-B in will not show you all TIS-B traffic unless you are lucky enough to be near a ADS-B out aircraft.
>
>
> Then there is the problem of displaying that nice TIS-B info. So now you need an ADS-B compatible GPS source, hook it up to your Trig 22, a dual band ADS-B receiver, and a diplay from the aviation division of Apple, all shoved into your huge glider instrument panel.
>
> Show some pictures when you get that done! Or get a PF and show traffic on your nav display, today.
>
> >
> > The reality is that ADS-B is the future. FLARM may be an appropriate solution if you are flying in a contest with other FLARM equipped gliders. If you are flying recreationally, you should be looking at a solution that will reliably display not only other gliders, but all GA aircraft.
>
> So, Mike, show us your cockpit setup with ADS-B in/out. And how much did it cost?
>
> >
> > Hopefully, by the end of the year, you will be able to buy an economical GPS source for your TRIG transponder, so you can have ADS-B OUT, which is required to trigger TIS-B from ADS-B ground stations. If you buy a low cost ADS-B receiver (get a dual frequency one), and couple it with an iPhone or iPAD app, and you will be able to see all other ADS-B and transponder equipped aircraft in your area. You will be amazed by how many planes are out there that you never see visually.
>
> "Hopefully"? That's your plan? Pretty weak, dude! I've been flying with my PF for 3 years now seeing traffic no problem, plus having the benefits of the FLARM collision avoidance features when around other similarly equipped gliders. An inexpensive ADS-B out and in solution that would be legal and talk to existing glider displays would be nice to have, but it DOES NOT EXIST TODAY! It's inexcusable that the FAA did not allow a "VFR-ONLY" non-certified portable ADS-B in/out system to be used. Heck, you could probably make one for a few hundred bucks and GIVE them away; if they prevented one mid-air the cost would be covered!
>
> Kirk
> 66

Thanks for posting, Kirk
Schumann s not a glider pilot and it looks like he never flies in a glider-rich environment or contest. He only seems to be here to stir controversy and malign PF, a real obsession for him. Pavlovs's dogs could not be more predictable, just throw him a bone with PowerFlarm on it and - bam! There he goes. Maybe it's best to ignore him...
Herb, J7

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 2:30:38 PM UTC-6, wrote:

> Thanks for posting, Kirk
> Schumann s not a glider pilot and it looks like he never flies in a glider-rich environment or contest. He only seems to be here to stir controversy and malign PF, a real obsession for him. Pavlovs's dogs could not be more predictable, just throw him a bone with PowerFlarm on it and - bam! There he goes. Maybe it's best to ignore him...
> Herb, J7

Yeah, I was bored at work so decided to waste some time. But really, I'm not trying to change Mike's mind (life is too short...) but to correct his misleading propaganda.

Also, I'm always irritated by the resistance to PF by the majority of the US gliding community - coupled with the "deer in the headlights" stare I get for all the local club glider pilots when I try to explain how "see and avoid" is biologically impossible and that what is really happening is "big sky theory".

Cheers!

Kirk
66

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 3:30:38 PM UTC-5, wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 1:39:21 PM UTC-6, kirk.stant wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 8, 2016 at 8:19:28 PM UTC-6, Mike Schumann wrote:
> > > The reality is that FLARM is a half baked ADS-B solution. It doesn't display UAT equipped aircraft, nor does it display TIS-B data being transmitted from ADS-B ground stations.
> >
> > Here we go again ;^)
> >
> > In a word, bull****. Powerflarm is a fully baked glider-to-glider cooperative anti-collision system (good enough to be mandatory in some countries) that also displays ALL 1090ES ADS-B aircraft (the majority out there, and pretty much all ADS-B equipped fast movers and heavies) and ALL legacy transponder equipped aircraft (but only as range/altitude warnings, unfortunately). Oh, and in the US, if you decide to go UAT for your ADS-B solution, you still have to have a transponder, so guess what - PF will still see you.
> >
> > PowerFLARM is also available, RIGHT NOW, and comes in a format that integrates easily with glider displays.
> >
> > What PowerFLARM does not do, and was NEVER designed to so, is give you the free carrot - I mean weather, or TIS-B (pretty much all traffic). And of course, without ADS-B out, ADS-B in will not show you all TIS-B traffic unless you are lucky enough to be near a ADS-B out aircraft.
> >
> >
> > Then there is the problem of displaying that nice TIS-B info. So now you need an ADS-B compatible GPS source, hook it up to your Trig 22, a dual band ADS-B receiver, and a diplay from the aviation division of Apple, all shoved into your huge glider instrument panel.
> >
> > Show some pictures when you get that done! Or get a PF and show traffic on your nav display, today.
> >
> > >
> > > The reality is that ADS-B is the future. FLARM may be an appropriate solution if you are flying in a contest with other FLARM equipped gliders. If you are flying recreationally, you should be looking at a solution that will reliably display not only other gliders, but all GA aircraft.
> >
> > So, Mike, show us your cockpit setup with ADS-B in/out. And how much did it cost?
> >
> > >
> > > Hopefully, by the end of the year, you will be able to buy an economical GPS source for your TRIG transponder, so you can have ADS-B OUT, which is required to trigger TIS-B from ADS-B ground stations. If you buy a low cost ADS-B receiver (get a dual frequency one), and couple it with an iPhone or iPAD app, and you will be able to see all other ADS-B and transponder equipped aircraft in your area. You will be amazed by how many planes are out there that you never see visually.
> >
> > "Hopefully"? That's your plan? Pretty weak, dude! I've been flying with my PF for 3 years now seeing traffic no problem, plus having the benefits of the FLARM collision avoidance features when around other similarly equipped gliders. An inexpensive ADS-B out and in solution that would be legal and talk to existing glider displays would be nice to have, but it DOES NOT EXIST TODAY! It's inexcusable that the FAA did not allow a "VFR-ONLY" non-certified portable ADS-B in/out system to be used. Heck, you could probably make one for a few hundred bucks and GIVE them away; if they prevented one mid-air the cost would be covered!
> >
> > Kirk
> > 66
>
> Thanks for posting, Kirk
> Schumann s not a glider pilot and it looks like he never flies in a glider-rich environment or contest. He only seems to be here to stir controversy and malign PF, a real obsession for him. Pavlovs's dogs could not be more predictable, just throw him a bone with PowerFlarm on it and - bam! There he goes. Maybe it's best to ignore him...
> Herb, J7

Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I have been a glider pilot for many years, flying out of a grass field within the MSP Mode C veil.

I don't fly in contests. For those pilots who do, FLARM may be a good option in those situations.

Where I fly, there are virtually no FLARM (or transponder) equipped gliders.. However, 95% of the power aircraft are transponder equipped. With a proper ADS-B IN/OUT setup, the exact location and altitude all of these aircraft are visible.

For the last ten months, my primary aircraft is a Phoenix Motorglider. It has a full Dynon Skyview system, including 2020 compliant ADS-B IN and OUT, as well as a Mode S transponder. Just to give you some idea of how economical these types of systems are becoming, this system, which incorporates a full engine monitoring setup, radio, intercom, transponder, moving map display with synthetic vision, a two axis autopilot, and ADS-B IN & OUT, costs ~$12K.

Obviously this kind of setup is inappropriate for a typical glider. However, a TRIG transponder coupled with an appropriate GPS source, a dual frequency Stratus ADS-B receiver, and an iPAD or iPhone running an application like Foreflight can provide an economical and very robust ADS-B collision avoidance solution at a reasonable cost and with a power and panel footprint that works in most conventional gliders.

It's too bad that the PowerFlarm guys have their head in the sand and never bothered to implement TIS-B into their product. The reality is that this is a Eurocentric product with a primitive PCAS bolt on to make it marginally palatable for the US market. The fact that it has absolutely no provision for detecting UAT equipped aircraft makes this a dead end product in the US for anyone who wants to reliably see General Aviation or Drone traffic.

On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 11:57:36 PM UTC-6, Mike Schumann wrote:
>
> Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I have been a glider pilot for many years, flying out of a grass field within the MSP Mode C veil.
>
> I don't fly in contests. For those pilots who do, FLARM may be a good option in those situations.
>
> Where I fly, there are virtually no FLARM (or transponder) equipped gliders. However, 95% of the power aircraft are transponder equipped. With a proper ADS-B IN/OUT setup, the exact location and altitude all of these aircraft are visible.

And what are the gliders equipped with? What percentage have transponders, or even radios? If it's a typical club environment, few of the club ships will have radios, none will have transponders, and among the private ships, there will be more radios but probably few transponders. Exceptions apply; active XC clubs near class B airspace will probably have a few gliders better equipped - but even there, it will be radio + transponder + Pflarm.

>
> For the last ten months, my primary aircraft is a Phoenix Motorglider. It has a full Dynon Skyview system, including 2020 compliant ADS-B IN and OUT, as well as a Mode S transponder. Just to give you some idea of how economical these types of systems are becoming, this system, which incorporates a full engine monitoring setup, radio, intercom, transponder, moving map display with synthetic vision, a two axis autopilot, and ADS-B IN & OUT, costs ~$12K.

Nice system - FOR AN AIRPLANE. Your notional glider setup simply does not exist in a practical, economical ("suitable for a club 1-26") format. Vaporware...

>
> Obviously this kind of setup is inappropriate for a typical glider. However, a TRIG transponder coupled with an appropriate GPS source, a dual frequency Stratus ADS-B receiver, and an iPAD or iPhone running an application like Foreflight can provide an economical and very robust ADS-B collision avoidance solution at a reasonable cost and with a power and panel footprint that works in most conventional gliders.
>

OK, spec it out: what approved GPS, transponder, ADS-B in/out box, displays, software, power supply, connectors? How do you put that into a club K-21, or a private LS-8? What is the cost. Can it actually, legally, be done RIGHT NOW?

> It's too bad that the PowerFlarm guys have their head in the sand and never bothered to implement TIS-B into their product. The reality is that this is a Eurocentric product with a primitive PCAS bolt on to make it marginally palatable for the US market. The fact that it has absolutely no provision for detecting UAT equipped aircraft makes this a dead end product in the US for anyone who wants to reliably see General Aviation or Drone traffic..

It's too bad the UAT ADS-B Kool-Aid drinkers have their heads where the sun doesn't shine and have come up with a totally flawed system. Want to see how to make ADS-B work for all? Take a look at Europe.

Kirk
66

Great request, and I've made similar here before. Mike please describe exactly what you are flying with and exactly what it does.

And include power consumption and space/volume required for all the boxes including PDA/tablet displays. And describe how the display output/traffic warning work..... to a PDA or tablet running what software? And if using the PDA/tablet for a traffic display where do you run your soaring software? A separate PDA? And what happens when you are in a thermal with one or more transponder equipped gliders? Do you ever thermal with other gliders? A recording of the screen of the PDA or tablet when thermalling with transponder equipped gliders would be very intersting.

Darryl

On Friday, November 11, 2016 at 12:47:07 PM UTC-8, kirk.stant wrote:
> On Thursday, November 10, 2016 at 11:57:36 PM UTC-6, Mike Schumann wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to disappoint you guys, but I have been a glider pilot for many years, flying out of a grass field within the MSP Mode C veil.
> >
> > I don't fly in contests. For those pilots who do, FLARM may be a good option in those situations.
> >
> > Where I fly, there are virtually no FLARM (or transponder) equipped gliders. However, 95% of the power aircraft are transponder equipped. With a proper ADS-B IN/OUT setup, the exact location and altitude all of these aircraft are visible.
>
> And what are the gliders equipped with? What percentage have transponders, or even radios? If it's a typical club environment, few of the club ships will have radios, none will have transponders, and among the private ships, there will be more radios but probably few transponders. Exceptions apply; active XC clubs near class B airspace will probably have a few gliders better equipped - but even there, it will be radio + transponder + Pflarm.
>
> >
> > For the last ten months, my primary aircraft is a Phoenix Motorglider. It has a full Dynon Skyview system, including 2020 compliant ADS-B IN and OUT, as well as a Mode S transponder. Just to give you some idea of how economical these types of systems are becoming, this system, which incorporates a full engine monitoring setup, radio, intercom, transponder, moving map display with synthetic vision, a two axis autopilot, and ADS-B IN & OUT, costs ~$12K.
>
> Nice system - FOR AN AIRPLANE. Your notional glider setup simply does not exist in a practical, economical ("suitable for a club 1-26") format. Vaporware...
>
> >
> > Obviously this kind of setup is inappropriate for a typical glider. However, a TRIG transponder coupled with an appropriate GPS source, a dual frequency Stratus ADS-B receiver, and an iPAD or iPhone running an application like Foreflight can provide an economical and very robust ADS-B collision avoidance solution at a reasonable cost and with a power and panel footprint that works in most conventional gliders.
> >
>
> OK, spec it out: what approved GPS, transponder, ADS-B in/out box, displays, software, power supply, connectors? How do you put that into a club K-21, or a private LS-8? What is the cost. Can it actually, legally, be done RIGHT NOW?
>
> > It's too bad that the PowerFlarm guys have their head in the sand and never bothered to implement TIS-B into their product. The reality is that this is a Eurocentric product with a primitive PCAS bolt on to make it marginally palatable for the US market. The fact that it has absolutely no provision for detecting UAT equipped aircraft makes this a dead end product in the US for anyone who wants to reliably see General Aviation or Drone traffic.
>
> It's too bad the UAT ADS-B Kool-Aid drinkers have their heads where the sun doesn't shine and have come up with a totally flawed system. Want to see how to make ADS-B work for all? Take a look at Europe.
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